Can You Lose Your Salvation? What Is Unforgivable Sin?

Yes, unfortunately Christians can indeed lose their salvation. (see further down for biblical proof, but before that, let me reassure you first)

However, you can be certain that you can keep your salvation NOW and find out how you can make sure you keep it – just read on!

Anyone can fall from any height. As long as we are on earth, we have to be careful lest we are disqualified. (1 Cor 9:27)

If you find this webpage because you are afraid of losing your salvation, do not fear! You must believe in God’s infinite power to forgive!

It doesn’t matter how addicted you are to certain sins, or how many times you have repented of these sins already, but you keep sinning again – as long as you repent sincerely and genuinely want to stop sinning, the Lord will forgive you at your first sign of repentance. (Luke 17:3)

If you think you have committed the unforgivable sin, then you didn’t. But, if you insist that God won’t forgive you for whatever blaspheme thoughts or words that you think you have committed against the Holy Trinity, you are in grave danger of hell simply because of unbelief.

Although we have become born again Christians, we must continue to believe in God’s forgiveness through faith in Christ to stand firm. (Gal 5:4; 1 Cor 15:1)

In other words, if you stop believing in God’s forgiveness through faith in Christ, you lose your salvation until you can believe again. So please stick with your faith.

Many Christians are suffering because they worried they might have committed the unforgivable sin. Some have gone so far that they became convinced that Christ had given up on them, so they rejected Christ and joined the dark side! This is exactly a self-fulfilling prophecy!

These renegade Christians believe their feelings of fears, and outward signs that seem to convince them that they have passed the “point of no return”, instead of believing in God’s promises of salvation and Christ’s forgiveness. If one believes in outward signs and feeling more than he or she believes in Christ’s infinite grace and forgiveness, he or she has officially fallen from grace. (Galatians 5:4-6)

Unless they repent of the sin of unbelief, and once again place their trust on God’s promise of salvation, forgiveness, and grace, they will not regain their salvation.

But any time they go back to God and seek forgiveness through faith in Christ, God is able to forgive them of any sin.

I learned that people who are fearful of the unpardonable sin often need as many proof as they can find to ascertain themselves that they can indeed be forgiven, here is an extremely useful article for those who are extremely worried about the unpardonable sin:

Unforgiveable? The Unpardonable sin of Blasphemy Against the Holy Ghost

If you are still worried about the unpardonable sin after you have read my post and the link I gave you above, go to Testimonies of Christians who found forgiveness after being sure they had blasphemed the Holy Spirit and committed the unpardonable sin for many more articles of real Christians who have gone so far from God because they thought they have blasphemed the Holy Spirit, but found forgiveness after.

This worry can escalate to the point of mental illness. If you find intrusive thoughts of blasphemy raging in your mind, it is possible that you have developed a clinical disorder known as the Religious Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. Fortunately, once you know the cause of ROCD by reading the articles through the above links, you will see recovery very quickly.

Now let’s see what kind of traps can get Christians into hell so we can all avoid them.

Two Types Of Christians Who Ended Up In Hell After They Crossed Over

  1. Christians who deliberately sinned till the end of their life after they have become born again, because they thought God would look at the other way when they sinned since they thought they were “once saved, always saved”. They refused to repent from certain “pet sins”. They had grieved the Holy Spirit and quenched Him (1 Thess 5:19) Their conscience were seared by sins by the time they died. (1 Tim 4:2)
  2. Christians who thought God won’t forgive them, so they stopped believing in Christ through faith. Forgiveness is not automatic. We must receive it by faith. Anytime we add anything extra to the gospel we risk falling from grace (Gal 5:4; Gal 1:6-9). For example, Christians who were once saved, and later added extra requirement to salvation such as performance of good deeds would end up in hell when they crossed over, because they believed in “a different gospel”. (Gal 1:6-9) Anytime we disbelieve in forgiveness in Christ through faith, we lose our salvation unless we believe again. (Gal 5:4; 1 Cor 15:1)

In fewer words: Christians will end up in hell if, by the time they die, they still refuse to repent from their pet sins, OR they still believe their sins can’t be forgiven.

We don’t need to experience a 100% sinless life before we are allowed into heaven, but we have to be sincerely wanting to be free and genuinely repenting from all sin – at least before we die and cross over.

However, if someone plans to repent on death bed, that leads to two major problems – first, he doesn’t know when he is going to die, and second, his repentance is probably insincere, after many years of active sinning it would be hard for him to genuinely want to stop sinning. We can’t mock God. (Gal 6:7)

666 – The Mark Of The Beast: A Biblical Example Of How Christians Lose Salvation

Christians who get left behind will face the anti-Christ after the Rapture, and they will have to endure the great Tribulation – which is the final seven years of earth, with all the intense suffering that the world has never seen before. At some point during the Tribulation, the anti-Christ and his false prophet will force everyone to take a mark of the beast on his forehead, or on his right hand. (Rev 13:15-17) Anyone who takes the mark of the beast is going to hell.

Rev 14:9-13

9A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, 10he, too, will drink of the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name.” 12This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God’s commandments and remain faithful to Jesus. 13Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.” 

When God says anyone who worships the beast is going to Hell, He means anyone – including Christians.

During the Tribulation, Christians who happen to remain on earth will face intense persecutions.

For those who refuse to take the mark of the beast, chances are the anti-Christ government will have torture programs instated for them. The demonic government is not going to let their enemies die so easily. Remember, during the Tribulation the demonic army of Satan will be on earth without major restraint from God (2 Thess 2:7; Rev 12:9; Rev 12:12).

The Tribulation will be terrible! But there is an escape; the only way out is the Rapture. In the Rapture, the Lord will harvest selected Christians from around the world and take them up to heaven (1 Thess 4:15-18), and shortly after the Rapture the Tribulation will commence.

Be prepared for the Rapture because it can happen anytime soon. Being a born again Christian doesn’t guarantee we can join the Rapture, but only those of us who keep the words of Christ will qualify. (Rev 3:10)

If Jesus thinks you are ready for the Rapture, you can be certain that you are also ready for Heaven anytime should you die and cross over. But if by any chance you find yourself getting left behind, repent completely, so you can at least go to heaven if you die during the Tribulation.

If you do get left behind for whatever reason, remember don’t take the mark of the beast 666 no matter what! Some Christians will say “God will understand. God will forgive”, but they are putting greater trust on their assumptions than on God’s explicit warning. Their chance of getting away with eternal punishment is zero.

Christians, listen to what God said! Love truth, not make true of what we love.

*Caution* The following section is for those who might be tempted to “beat the system” – by trying to sin, and yet still try to get into heaven by being a born again Christian. I know a lot of people, including myself, who sometime entertain the idea that a little unconfessed and unrepented sin here and there is OK. This is an extremely dangerous way of thinking. See the Bible verses and explanation below.

If you are not in this category, but are among those who fear you might have become unforgivable, then go straight to the links at the bottom for more articles that tell you that you are forgivable.

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Other Scripture Passages That Say A Christian Can Lose His Salvation:

1. Unforgiveness

But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses. Mark 11:26

If you die at the time when you harbor bitterness toward someone, which means you withhold forgiveness from that person, the Father will not forgive you as well. If you refuse to forgive even after you die, it means you  die in unforgiveness, i.e. You die in sin! Will you still go to heaven if the Father doesn’t forgive you?

2. Believing in good work rather than salvation through faith in Christ only

You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. Galatians 5:4

Some new Christians were indeed saved by grace, but later they got deceived by cult such as the Mormon and Jehovah Witness. These cults preach a “different gospel” (Gal 1:6-9), and the result for anyone who believe in a “different gospel” is “fallen from grace”.

What is a “different gospel”? It is a gospel that preaches anything other than believing through faith in Christ, an example of a “different gospel” would be salvation by faith plus good deeds, or something other than faith.

We are saved by grace, through faith in Christ. If we are fallen from grace, that means we lose our salvation, unless we repent and go back to the pure gospel and hold on to it. ( 1 Cor 15:1)

3. Disobey God’s will

Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ Matthew 7:21-23

We all fail to obey God many times. That’s inevitable because of our ignorance, weakness, and foolishness. But if God sends us explicit warnings and rebukes us through His faithful servants, but we insist on disobedience and keep it that way until we die, we are in grave danger of hell when we cross over.

It doesn’t matter how many souls we have saved, how much we have served God, or how many good works we have done: If we don’t do God’s will, all our good works are just filthy rags. (Isaiah 64:6)

4. Deliberately keep on sinning

26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[d] and again, “The Lord will judge his people.”[e] 31It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Hebrews 10:26-31

One can only lose his salvation by unrepentance or false repentance on deathbed. If a Christian plans to use Christ’s sacrifice to sin willfully and get away with hell, his repentance is false, and God is not mocked (Gal 6:7).

God isn’t a computer program which has bugs you can take advantage of. You can’t beat the system by taking advantage of His provision.

In addition, sin can blind and deceive its slave (Ephesians 4:17-18; Hebrews 3:13). It can also harden the transgressor’s heart. (Hebrews 3:13)

I believe that’s why the Scripture said “no sacrifice for sins is left” for those who deliberately keeps on sinning, because the sinner has already seared his conscience by deliberately sinning and he can no longer truly repent. (Hebrews 10:26; 1 Timothy 4:2)

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What if you have deliberately sinned?

You have to be very deliberate to be able to “deliberate sinning” to the point where you can no longer truly repent.

Every time we consciously sin such as ignoring the speed limit when we drive, or lust after someone and decide to satisfy our lust with more dark deeds in private, we are “deliberately sinning”.

No Christians on earth has never deliberately sinned before. Most sins began with conscious decisions, albeit under heavy pressures of temptations.

Don’t worry if you are addicted to certain sins. If you are struggling with sins but sincerely repent every time, then it’s not deliberately sinning. Sometimes God allows us to be tortured by sins for reasons such as training our faith, humbling us, or reminding us to rely on Him.

As long as we have “today”, we are to ask God to deliver us from traps of sins and ask for His grace to experience total freedom. (Hebrews 3:7-15) Don’t ever compromise and let your addictions reign – no matter how much pains the addictions have caused you.

5. Returning to the Pre-Saved days

For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.” 2 Peter 2:20

If a Christian re-commits himself once again to the old lifestyle he had before his conversion, the Scripture says his condition is worse than before.

The consequences of sins for him will be heavier than prior while on earth, and if he dies in that condition without returning to God, he will suffer much more than unbelievers and more than he would have had had he not become a Christian in the first place. (Hebrews 11:24)

If You Worried You Might Have Committed The Unforgivable Sin

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Good Precautions You Can Take To Minimize The Chance For you To Die In Sins

Anyone can fall from any height. No matter how many souls we have brought to Christ, or how spiritual we have become, if we die in sin, big sin or small sin, we can jeopardize our eternal rewards and even our salvation.

No amount of precautions can bring you to heaven, only forgiveness through faith in Christ can. (Ephesians 2:8-9)

But here I like to give you some articles and suggestions of precautions you can take to prevent hardening of heart and searing of conscience by sin, to keep you qualified for the Rapture, and to prevent a prolonged window of time when you could die in sins.

First, practice the way of love, for he who has the love of God has no reasons to fear anything or stumble in darkness. (1 John 2:10; 1 John 4:17-18) Ultimately, the commandments to love God and love others will make you bullet proof!

Second, practice the presence of God daily and walk in the Spirit!

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  1. […] My experiences verified this truth – ignorance kills, it doesn’t matter how sincere or devoted you are, if you lack crucial knowledge, it costs you big time. By God’s grace, many of us Christians have discovered this truth in time, before we get destroyed. I am not joking, curses can kill and probably have killed many Christians already, and some of them probably ended up in Hell. (Once saved always saved? See this webpage series or my biblical analysis) […]

  2. Pierre Stevens

    This is amazing. I believe this too I was just looking for scripture to support my belief.

  3. saikit

    Thanks Pierre, and I have something to add here.

    The implications of “one saved, always saved” and “you can lose your salvation” are huge.

    For the former, you got half of the church ignorant of the importance to endure and watch till the end. Many of them still live in sins and false security, which feed on each other. Sins deceive their slave so they don’t see truth, they don’t see truth so they remain in sins. Vicious cycle.

    And it triggers a chain effect. A lot of other scriptures that talks about other things will lose their true meaning as well since many other truth build on the truth of salvation. If one get the basic truth of salvation mixed, other truth will be messed up as well.

    Then the church become easy to be infiltrated and tolerate human invented doctrines, and thus stifles the growth of new christians. The indoctrination of human tradition, human doctrines, and complicated exegesis that explain away biblical truth robes the sheeps of real growth, supernatural powers, and the whole nine yards.

    So… keep in touch, let me add you to my contact list aright?

  4. Pierre Stevens

    Most certainly, feel free to add me to your mailing list and contact list. I would like to stay in touch with you for i see you are a true God-seeker. Also, with your permission, i’d like to post this to my Blog Spot

  5. saikit

    sure you can post it on your blog spot, just make sure you give credit to this website (I know you will, but I mean make the credit very “big” for google bot to detect) and on that page create a prominent link that link back to this site, because it will help maintain my Search Engine ranking, which is very important so people can find this site easily!

    A true God-seeker? haha, thanks Pierre. Thank God for His grace. Thanks for the kind words. Much blessing to you. I will add you when I start building a contact list.

  6. Becky Goben

    I’m sorry to inform you, but i believe that you cannot loose your salvation. Christ says he died completely for us. The bible says (John 10:29) ‘and no one can snatch them from my hand. My father who has given them to me is greater than all and no one can snatch them from my fathers’ hand’. Once we are saved it is definate. You cannot loose your salvation. If you truly meant your acceptance of salvation then you are saved reguardless.

  7. saikit

    No one can snatch your soul from Jesus hand if you don’t give it up or reject this gift afterward. No external force can take your salvation if you don’t want to lose it.

    John 10:29 has nothing to do with whether you can lose your salvation by your own choice.

  8. Stuart

    In response to Becky’s reply:
    Becky, the verse you quoted actually supports that one can lose his/her salvation. John 10:29 is predicated on the previous two verses which point to conditional salvation. In this context, salvation is only given to those who 1) know God’s voice and 2) follow him (v27). In other words obedience is requisite to receive eternal life and reserved for the sheep who follow the shepherd.

  9. saikit

    Good point Stuart.

    To hear God’s voice and to follow Jesus are what being Christians are essentially about, without them, one is actually sinning. In other words, from beginning to end, one must remain in these two conditions to remain in God’s saving grace.

    In fact, to believe in Jesus and receive His saving grace by faith alone is the first act of obedience. One hears the gospel, and then he or she receives the gift of salvation by faith after hearing it, which is what God asks for. He asks for our faith. So you do what God asks of you and that’s the only way you can become a born again Christian.

    Of course, to believe in the Gospel, you must hear it first. That’s hearing God’s voice. When someone share the Gospel with us, the Holy Spirit also speaks to us through the Gospel. That’s God’s voice.

    So there, we see that becoming Christian require exactly these 2 things: 1) To hear God’s voice 2) To follow Him.

    Moreover, as long as we keep hearing God’s voice and obey, we keep our salvation. No one can snatch our soul from Jesus’ hand if we remain in that state.

  10. James

    First off, you cannot lose your salvation. This belief has been founded upon and prapogated through the miss interpretations of scriture and taking the bible completely out of context.

    If one has an authentic “conversion” their life will resemble this. When we receive Christ and His Holy Spirit, we are given a new heart. It speaks of this in Ezekiel where God proclaims that He will move the heart of stone from His people and give them a heart of flesh. If we truly receive Christ and His Holy Spirit, we are sealed in Him. Study the Greek/Hebrew Lexicon. Look at basic definitions of that word, seal. You will discover for yourselves that if their is true repentance, you cannot lose your salvation.
    These verses that are used and that say things like, “falling away”, you have to understand that if someone is capable of falling away, then they are abiding in Christ-John 15. We know that this chapter tells us that we are to remain and Him and His Word is to remain in us. People, we have to understand that if someone is in fact saved, their life will show it, they will be sealed, and even if they have moments of so-called “falling” away, they still belong to Christ.
    Ultimately, it all points back to Jesus, it has to. If you say that one can lose their salvation, then you are saying that what Christ did on the cross was simply not good enough to keep us, or “seal” us rather. You have just decided in your heart that His atoning sacrifice wasn’t necessary. You can lose something that you could earn or didn’t deserve to begin with. It’s the free gift of grace through faith.

  11. James

    I would like to edit some of my previous post:

    Salvation is a free gift. If you claim that you are saved, but you are still living a life of sin, you clearly were never saved to begin with. When we accept the Holy Spirt, our desires begin to be changed into those of Christ. Galatians talks about the fruits of the Spirit. Jesus told His disciples that you will know those that belong to Him by their fruit. If the life style isn’t matching up, then they never had it to begin with. I heard a dear friend of my say that a true example of someone who has been saved is someone who loves God more than their sin. If this is present, that person is saved and they won’t desire to continue sinning.
    A lot of these comments talk about people claiming to be saved, but the life style doesn’t match up with that of Jesus. Well…then they AREN’T saved. Period. Come on people, look at the fruit. You cannot lose something that clearly you didn’t authentically have to begin with. So stop worrying about whether they lose it or not and start worrying about whether or not they had it to begin with. It’s a free gift…you can’t earn it and the power of Christ and His Spirit are the only things you have to keep it…your works only cannot.

  12. James

    and btw, christians don’t end up in hell…i truthfully cannot believe the arrogance of such statements and belief. to say that you can do anything to attain your salvation or even keep it, is what I refer to as catholicism. this is a “works” based mentalilty. however, we are to work out our faith with fear and trembling. this is where the abiding in Him and His words remaining in us takes place. Paul tells the galatians that if anyone preaches a different gospel, let them be accursed-eternally condemned. the belief that one can lose their salvation does nothing, but creat confusion for not only the unbeliever, but even those who are children in the faith. who are we to press teachings that basically tell people Jesus’ blood alone, isn’t enough. you better believe that Christ’s blood is MORE than enough. someone who has merely “tasted” and walked away, hasn’t truly been born again. if you are truly born again, your life must be different. if the holy spirit is truly at work within you, then you are sealed and cannot lose your salvation.

  13. saikit

    First off, you cannot lose your salvation. This belief has been founded upon and prapogated through the miss interpretations of scriture and taking the bible completely out of context.

    That belief of “you cannot lose your salvation” came from no scripture at all. Where do you see that a Christian cannot lose his salvation from the Bible?

    If one has an authentic “conversion” their life will resemble this. When we receive Christ and His Holy Spirit, we are given a new heart. It speaks of this in Ezekiel where God proclaims that He will move the heart of stone from His people and give them a heart of flesh.

    Adam and Eve had a “new heart” and they “had God’s Spirit” within them, but can they be fallen? Yes. The angels were “new” too, did they sin and got judged by God? Yes. So you can lose your “eternity” or your “heaven citizenship” if you sin, no matter how Spiritual or how new you were.

    If we truly receive Christ and His Holy Spirit, we are sealed in Him. Study the Greek/Hebrew Lexicon. Look at basic definitions of that word, seal. You will discover for yourselves that if their is true repentance, you cannot lose your salvation.

    All the Bible said about us received Christ is that we are sealed in Him, so that mean we are sealed, and just that. Let’s say the supermarket or the manufacterur sealed their products with their brand or labels, but that only means that. You can’t extrapolate it to where it is not.

    OK, let’s move on to your “edited” version of this comment.

  14. saikit

    Salvation is a free gift. If you claim that you are saved, but you are still living a life of sin, you clearly were never saved to begin with.

    What you are arguing is that salvationis a free gift, so after we received this gift, we cannot live a life of sin, or, to put it more clearly, that we are not capable of living a life of sin. Is that what you said?

    In other words, you are saying after we received the gift of salvation, we lose our free will?

    What about the angels or Adam & Eve, they were given the gifts of life, of God’s presense, but did they have the willpower to choose to live a life of sin afterwards?

    So stop worrying about whether they lose it or not and start worrying about whether or not they had it to begin with. It’s a free gift…you can’t earn it and the power of Christ and His Spirit are the only things you have to keep it…your works only cannot.

    It’s not about works. True good fruits and true good deeds that please God have to be generated by faith. Without faith, good works only came from the flesh and the willpower, and won’t last. That’s the second point I have to make here. If Christians think they are going to heaven no matter what they do, they have less incentive to repent upon sinning. They will be tempted to take their sweet times, instead of repenting immediately, and exercising biblical faith to bear real fruits of the Spirit.

  15. saikit

    and btw, christians don’t end up in hell…i truthfully cannot believe the arrogance of such statements and belief. to say that you can do anything to attain your salvation or even keep it, is what I refer to as catholicism. this is a “works” based mentalilty.

    Where did you see in my article that said you got to “attain your salvation”? Salvation isn’t a one time gift. It’s a continual supply of God’s grace, like water, air, and sun. We can disconnect ourselves from grace, from water, air, or sun anytime, but that would lead to death.

    Paul tells the galatians that if anyone preaches a different gospel, let them be accursed-eternally condemned.

    There you have it. If a Christian believed in the true gospel for 10 years, and then choose another gospel for the rest of his life, wouldn’t he become “eternally condemned”? Meaning, lose his salvation?

    Will you argue that those who received the true Gospel cannot/incapable of choosing a different Gospel out of his freewill?

    If you read the whole book of Galatians, you will find that Paul is warning the Christians in the Galatians church, he is warning them that if they receive a different Gospel afterward, they will fall from grace (Galatians 5:4).

      Galatians 1:6

    I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.

    To those Galatians who quickly deserted the true Gospel, Paul said this “you who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.” (Galatians 5:4) In other words, Galatians Christians who once believed in the True Gospel, who were saved, now had fallen from grace because they chose a different Gospel, which means they lost their salvation.

    So there you have it, you can lose your salvation.

  16. You where looking for a verse in the Bible that proves that (undeniably), once & for all, when you’re saved (truly saved) it is for keeps, because it’s also in His power to do so! Power to save you & power to keep you saved inspite of yourself. It couldn’t be any other way or otherwise we wouldn’t be able to remain saved for very long at all. Good works, abstaining from doing wrong (when you’re able to do so, with His help of course), confession, & then repentance, with His help, because without Him you can do nothing. It’s all made possible when you have real faith, trust, & confidence in His power to save & His love & desire to keep you saved forevermore!

    Here is the verse that proves that once saved always saved: For I know whom I have believed (Jesus the Christ) and I am convinced that He is able (powerful enough) to guard (to keep once & for all) what I have entrusted to Him (the salvation of my soul) until that day (my earthly death or the rapture; whichever comes first). 2 Timothy 1:12

    More to come, if & when i’ll have the time for it. Normally, this should be sufficient! Patrick G.

  17. Please don’t transfer, my comment above, to another site. You’ve done this before & I really believe & wish for it to stay where it is becaue that’s where it belongs (can you lose your salvation?). Thank you!

  18. saikit

    I didn’t transfer your comment to anywhere. One time you gave me several comments that should really belong to one comment, so I consolidate your comments into one, which made it easier for the readers to read it. What you just said here was slanderish. I didn’t delete any word and I didn’t transfer them to another page nor site.

  19. saikit

    Here is the verse that proves that once saved always saved: For I know whom I have believed (Jesus the Christ) and I am convinced that He is able (powerful enough) to guard (to keep once & for all) what I have entrusted to Him (the salvation of my soul) until that day (my earthly death or the rapture; whichever comes first). 2 Timothy 1:12

    This is not the verse for once saved always saved. This is a verse of promise for those who exercise their faith to get under the protection of God. For many other people, including those who don’t read the Bible at all, do not have the faith to activate, substantiate, and manifest the power of this promise, because without faith we can receive NOTHING from God. (James 1:7)

    This is the verse that I place my faith on to see to it that God keeps me. Like David, he prayed to God so He won’t let him commit willful sin (Psalm 19:13) and forgives him for his hidden sins (Psalm 19:12)

    However, this verse isn’t about once saved always saved. It’s about a man entrusting himself to God through active, daily faith, but it doesn’t negate the need of repentance on an as needed basis. If one no longer believes in God, he doesn’t have that faith and “entrust” that God requires before He continue to protect him.

    And you added quite a few words into this simple verse. Don’t add so much of your own words in there and convince yourself it is the original meaning of the verse.

  20. Head knowledge (& I have it too because I’ve read the entire Bible with faith, my heart, & my intelligence), good works (& they, good works, & confession & repentance don’t have the power to erase all of your sins before God nor cleanse you of all unrighteousness), is not sufficient enough to save you & keep you saved; only your faith in the accomplished work (Jesus born of divine origin, remaining perfect & without sin, revealing the FATHER who was with Him & in Him, dying & shedding His blood for all who would truly believe in Him, & finally, His resurrection & His ascension to be at the right hand of God so as to justify all who really believed in Him & all that He accomplished for them,including all the promises that He made concerning them) can save you completely & forevermore!

    This is just an extra because I felt compelled to do it at once. Praise God & his Son!!! It will be quite some time before I write to you again (if I do at all).

  21. saikit

    Head knowledge (& I have it too because I’ve read the entire Bible with faith, my heart, & my intelligence), good works (& they, good works, & confession & repentance don’t have the power to erase all of your sins before God nor cleanse you of all unrighteousness), is not sufficient enough to save you & keep you saved;

    1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

    He will forgive us if we confess our sins. We ask for forgiveness, and then He answer us, and we are forgiven.

    only your faith in the accomplished work (Jesus born of divine origin, remaining perfect & without sin, revealing the FATHER who was with Him & in Him, dying & shedding His blood for all who would truly believe in Him, & finally, His resurrection & His ascension to be at the right hand of God so as to justify all who really believed in Him & all that He accomplished for them,including all the promises that He made concerning them) can save you completely & forevermore!

    You are reciting a theology. Where is your biblical support?

    I believe in Salvation through faith in Jesus Christ by faith. By believing in Him, we obey and repent and walk with Him through faith on a daily basis.

    Head knowledge (& I have it too because I’ve read the entire Bible with faith, my heart, & my intelligence)

    So you are saying I read the Bible with just head knowledge, and you are the one who read it with faith, heart, and intelligence. It is a statement that you personally believe in, but I don’t see how you prove it. You don’t merely claim something and then expect people to accept it.

    You kept saying that you have a lot more to say, so why don’t you really give it all at once? There is no point in telling people how much you really know. Just tell us what you know, instead of claiming how much you know and then only to keep saying that your time and energy are just too precious to actually share what you know. For those of you who don’t know why I say this, go to “Will You Go To Hell If You Commit Suicide? (Lose Salvation)” to see his following comment, quote:

    I would have a lot more to say on the subjects & themes mentioned in the above comments submitted & everything else that I read on this site, but I just don’t have the time nor the energy to do it. Maybe you have the time & energy for it & you obviously love to get into long discussions. Long discussions that often end up in arguments & contestations which is not only counterproductive but a downright waste of time.

    As for your habit of praising God everytime you said something:

    Praise God & his Son!!!

    Anyone can praise God and His Son. If you don’t preach the true Gospel, you are calling His name in vain.

    It will be quite some time before I write to you again (if I do at all).

    Sure, it’s your choice. Your time isn’t more precious than mine.

  22. Stop putting words into peoples mouths, because that’s exactly what you often do on this site. And you’re so clever (like the devil) & good at it that it boggles the mind. And I never said that, as a christian, it’s not required or important to confess & ask for forgiveness when we sin, nor to repent with His help & hopefully not to backslide.

    Over & out for at least a couple of weeks!

  23. I see that you put the comment, dated: March 5 at 10:14 pm, back where it was before so as to show everybody that it didn’t really bother you at all. But the question is why did you remove it in the first place? By putting it back you probably think that it will make me look bad instead of you, but it doesn’t because it’s the truth! What you did, by removing it, is called censorship & you did it for your own best interest. Pathetic!

  24. May the God of hope fill you with all joy & peace as you trust in him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit. (Romans 15:13)

    “To my christian brothers & sisters in Christ!”

    Don’t let this site, with all its false doctrines (different Gospel), try to rob you of the peace & joy that you have as a result of the certitude of your Salvation.

    Remember, it is by faith (real faith) that you are saved, and that faith comes from God (was given to you by God); & it can in no way be altered!

    Much more to come, my dear brothers & sisters in the Lord!

  25. saikit

    “Don’t let this site, with all its false doctrines (different Gospel), try to rob you of the peace & joy that you have as a result of the certitude of your Salvation.”

    This person keeps saying this site preaches false doctrines, and yet he has no proof nor arguments that support his statements and accusations. Whenever I demand any substantial proof or argument, he dismisses it, and goes on to more accusations and unfounded statements.

    “Remember, it is by faith (real faith) that you are saved”

    Just minor correction, the exact wording is “by grace through faith”: For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast (Ephesians 2:8-9)

    “that faith comes from God (was given to you by God); & it can in no way be altered! ”

    Wrong, faith comes by hearing of the words of God, as it is written: So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (Romans 10:17)

    This person keeps altering the words of God, as is shown by the dialog here and in other pages through comments, including the latest article “Once Saved Always Saved Is A Deadly Doctrine!

    Guys please read it.

  26. Will get back to you (as mentioned on my above comment), those who are real christians (born again believers), when I can. In the meantime hold fast to your God given faith & do not be perturbed nor troubled by certain things that you hear or read from individuals that are obviously not His own (God’s children)! They, individuals that are not truly His own, will try to rob you of your peace & joy that you have as God’s children. They will even try to make you doubt of your certitude & blessed assurance of being saved, & that, forevermore!

  27. saikit

    “Will get back to you (as mentioned on my above comment), those who are real christians (born again believers), when I can… They, individuals that are not truly His own, will try to rob you of your peace & joy that you have as God’s children. They will even try to make you doubt of your certitude & blessed assurance of being saved”

    Guys, Once Saved Always Saved people would always fall back to “We can’t judge whether this person is really saved or not (a real Christian to begin with)” when I questioned them, ‘what if that person kills someone, refuses to repent, and then dies?’ However, when I tell them why it is NOT Once Saved Always Saved, see what the attitude has become? It’s persecution! They even tell you a person like me is not a Christian! Who are they to judge? I believe in Jesus Christ. I receive Salvation by grace, through faith, for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. (Romans 10:13)

    I know who I am in Christ and I know that I am saved! What this person does is creating confusion. Satan is the author of confusion, but God is a God of peace (1 Cor 14:33)

    See what the executioner did to the person whom John Calvin (Founder of Once Saved Always Saved) decided to execute: (The similarity!)

    “Farel walked beside the condemned man, and kept up a constant barrage of words, in complete insensitivity to what Servetus might be feeling. All he had in mind was to extort from the prisoner an acknowledgement [sic] of his theological error — a shocking example of the soulless cure of souls. After some minutes of this, Servetus ceased making any reply and prayed quietly to himself. When they arrived at the place of execution, Farel announced to the watching crowd: ‘Here you see what power Satan possesses when he has a man in his power. This man is a scholar of distinction, and he perhaps believed he was acting rightly. But now Satan possesses him completely, as he might possess you, should you fall into his traps.’

    When the executioner began his work, Servetus whispered with trembling voice: ‘Oh God, Oh God!’ The thwarted Farel snapped at him: ‘Have you nothing else to say?’ This time Servetus replied to him: ‘What else might I do, but speak of God!’ Thereupon he was lifted onto the pyre and chained to the stake. A wreath strewn with sulfur was placed on his head. When the faggots were ignited, a piercing cry of horror broke from him. ‘Mercy, mercy!’ he cried. For more than half an hour the horrible agony continued, for the pyre had been made of half-green wood, which burned slowly. ‘Jesus, Son of the eternal God, have mercy on me,’ the tormented man cried from the midst of the flames ….”(11)

    I am very amused by the similarity of wordings that John Calvin and his executioner, Farel, and the words of Patrick Geoffroy here. I was accused of being demon processed, spiritual demented, and not a real Christian! He now even try to pretend that I don’t exist. If it is up to him, I wonder what he would have done to me. Since it is now not up to him, he chose the familiar tactic that many modern Pharisees use (not saying that he is one), ignoring the sore thumb!

    In fact, there are some Christian branches that don’t believe in “Once Saved Always Saved”, but they are not being labelled a cult, but are mostly accepted as part of the mainstream Christianity. However, this person dares accuse that I am not a Christian. The similarity of his choice of words against me were strikingly similar to what John Cavlin used.

    His choosing to ignore my voice is also similar to the following passage in the Bible:

    Acts 7:56-58

    “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.” At this they covered their ears and, yelling at the top of their voices, they all rushed at him, dragged him out of the city and began to stone him. Meanwhile, the witnesses laid their coats at the feet of a young man named Saul.

    Covering the ears seem to be the tactics the persecutors use very often.

  28. Danielle

    to this patrick fellow. i believe to put this person in their place you forgot to point out the obvious. this person agrees “For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast (Ephesians 2:8-9)” their further statements are saying the opposite (if you do not repent after every sin you lose salvation. if you don’t do this then you lose salvation. if you don’t do that then you lose salvation. by saying you HAVE to repent that is also a work. (not disputing the fact that god calls upon you to confess your sins and have daily conversations and to walk in the way of the lord). Not one person is free from sin no matter how much they want or claim to be, so your beliefs would mean god is simply setting us up for failure. what if *just what if* you sinned on an airplane by lusting after another person’s spouse, the plane then crashed and you die. are you saying you would go to hell because you did not have the chance to repent? as for your galations argument, they would have fallen from grace for renouncing their faith and denied thy Father. i pray that new christians that may fall upon your site just keep on moving and pay no head to your false witnessing. providing bible verses (not even the actual verse) with each paragraph does not mean you know what you are talking about or that your representation of the verses are correct. i would be interested in knowing your credentials and what degree you have.

  29. saikit

    What is obvious is that you think not repenting after you sin would allow you into heaven still. This is why Patrick’s slanders and rudeness are overlooked by people who have the Once Saved Always Saved belief. You guys simply overlook sins that are so destructive. Also, see this youtube of a girl who had seen hell and painted it. The paintings showed Christians in Hell. If you just look at the paintings, I am sure you can sense that the paintings are for real.

    Besides, faithful Christians follow the lead of the Holy Spirit, and receive warning ahead of times before a plane crush might happen to his or her scheduled flights (for ex, Bill Gothard received such warning). For those who live a life as though Christ isn’t the Lord, they are insensitive to the warning of the Spirit, and may face sudden death, and murders from the enemies (such as misdiagnosis from allopathy doctors, cancer from radiations, posioning, road bomb, and so on)

    i pray that new christians that may fall upon your site just keep on moving and pay no head to your false witnessing. providing bible verses (not even the actual verse)

    That’s slander. How can the Bible verses not be actual verses? They are words for words copied and pasted from biblegateway.com You are creating confusion for new christians here.

    I can’t put it any nicer, but your prayer for “new christians…pay no head to your false witnessing” would be witchcraft. Your prayers will be answered by Satan, but I won’t let him have it. In the name of Jesus Christ, your prayer is useless on me and this site.

    Not one person is free from sin no matter how much they want or claim to be, so your beliefs would mean god is simply setting us up for failure.

    Actually, your belief of “not one person is free from sin…” means “God is simply setting us up for failure”. You believe that as long as we are still on earth, we can’t help but have to sin. This isn’t what the Bible teaches. Romans 6-8 would be a good start to read about what new life Christian receives, and that sin is no longer our lords.

    Romans 6:6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin

    i would be interested in knowing your credentials and what degree you have

    My responses to that is this:
    John 5:43 I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him.

    In other words, it’s enough that I come in my Father’s name. If you want to accept someone with credentials and degree, it’s your choice.

    Philippians 3:2-8 Watch out for those dogs, those evildoers, those mutilators of the flesh. For it is we who are the circumcision, we who serve God by his Spirit, who boast in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh— though I myself have reasons for such confidence. If someone else thinks they have reasons to put confidence in the flesh, I have more: circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee; as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for righteousness based on the law, faultless. But whatever were gains to me I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ

    In other words, credentials and degree are garbage. We serve God by the Spirit.

  30. Danielle

    at first i simply was under the impression you are just mistaken, now i believe you are insane. you are telling me you know of a person in modern day who has seen hell and has the powers to know that there were christians in there? you say that i am witchcraft, yet you are the one who is crazy enough to say that once we receive jesus we poses magical powers to predict the future? So the christian father that got into a car accident and died leaving behind his family wasn’t a christian? there was not one person on any of the flights during 9/11 or in the world trade center? or they all would have had the power or feeling to know something bad was going to happen. show me in the bible where it states we christians are given these magical powers…. yes, the verses come straight from the bible, however an old adventures in odyssey tape would be perfect for you, it touches on the fact that you can not just pick and choose verses from the bible that loosely touch what you are trying to prove, you must look at the context, the background, what lead to that point, who is speaking, to who they are speaking to, so on and so forth. yes credentials of a person who has studied greek, and the history and background of what was going on at that point and to have been lead by others of the christian (evangelical) faith. otherwise (like in your case) it is just one person’s interpretation of the bible leading other’s blindly. you speak bold words of coming in MY FATHERS name for a person baring false witness and trying to scare people. for ALL have sinned (doesn’t say except christians) and fallen short of the glory of god (fallen short from glory, not fallen out of grace). it is people like you that create a laughing stock of the entire christian faith for their outlandish claims. i bet you were one of those that believed the world was going to end last saturday too…. you are just like him, spend all this time trying to interpret the bible and twisting it to your liking until it could KIND oF make sense yet missing the glaring verse proving you wrong. (in his case the one where it says that only our Fathers knows the day or the hour. btw I would love to know (since you are so gung-ho on calling EVERYONE out for slander except for yourself. what is so witch-craft for believe the bible when it says so clearly, for GOD so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son, that who so ever believes in me shall NOT perish but have everlasting life (john 3:16) it does not go on to say: unless you sin and don’t ask me for forgiveness. AND you did not answer me when i stated that you claim you agree that works do NOT get you into heaven, yet the process of repenting IS in fact a ‘good work’.

  31. saikit

    at first i simply was under the impression you are just mistaken, now i believe you are insane.

    Matthew 5:22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

    yet you are the one who is crazy enough to say that once we receive jesus we poses magical powers to predict the future?

    Examples of Holy Spirit warning the disciple, directing them, guiding them, telling them they will die soon, and so on:

    Acts 16: 6 Paul and his companions traveled throughout the region of Phrygia and Galatia, having been kept by the Holy Spirit from preaching the word in the province of Asia.

    Act 13: 2 While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.”

    Acts 8:29 The Spirit told Philip, “Go to that chariot and stay near it.”

    2 Peter 1:14 For our Lord Jesus Christ has shown me that I must soon leave this earthly life,

    Now what makes you think that the Holy Spirit doesn’t regularly forewarn, foretell, and actively guide faithful Christians? You think that’s magic? Magic is part of witchcraft. You cannot attribute Holy Spirit’s work to witchcraft. This is serious matter, please repent. Don’t sin because of ego/emotion/arugment

    it touches on the fact that you can not just pick and choose verses from the bible that loosely touch what you are trying to prove, you must look at the context, the background, what lead to that point, who is speaking, to who they are speaking to, so on and so forth.

    If I have pick some bible verses and ignore some, please point it out. If I take a verse out of context, please also point it out. If you keep saying things and making claims, it won’t prove anything wrong with this site. Why don’t you just go ahead and prove “Once Saved Always Saved” to the readers and me?

    for ALL have sinned (doesn’t say except christians) and fallen short of the glory of god

    That was before our conversion. Now we are new creature in Christ (2 Cor 5:17). Sin is no longer our master. Holy Spirit is now leading us and help us to war against our flesh. Sinless life is now attainable.

    We no longer fall short of God’s glory by default, because we are to glorify God with our new life. (read Ephesians for a good start)

    to have been lead by others of the christian (evangelical)

    Are you believing in the Evangelical denominations, or do you believe in Jesus Christ?

    Regarding denomination and their church dogma, God said:

    Mark 7:7 In vain do they worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

    Mark 7:9 How ingeniously you get round the Commandment of God in order to preserve your own traditions

    Col 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.

    what is so witch-craft for believe the bible when it says so clearly…

    You committed witchcraft when you prayed against me and my site for the wrong reasons. When you pray against someone out of God’s will, you are in fact cursing that person, and invoking demonic attacks upon that person. Have you heard that some rebellious christians who prayed against their pastor caused his wife to miscarry? These stuff happen. Words and prayers have power, so we must be careful to whom we pray and what we pray for.

    i bet you were one of those that believed the world was going to end last saturday too….

    Wow. That’s a slander. Jesus said no one knows the hour when he comes, so I don’t believe anyone who claim a specific date and time when Jesus comes for Rapture.

    what is so witch-craft for believe the bible when it says so clearly, for GOD so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son, that who so ever believes in me shall NOT perish but have everlasting life (john 3:16) it does not go on to say: unless you sin and don’t ask me for forgiveness.

    It seems that you are the one who pick and choose the Bible verses. I agree totally with everything John 3:16 says, but where does it say “Once Saved Always Saved”?

    AND you did not answer me when i stated that you claim you agree that works do NOT get you into heaven, yet the process of repenting IS in fact a ‘good work’.

    However, I have this entire post thats point out many counter examples in the Bible to the “Once Saved Always Saved” doctrine. Would John 3:16 contradict with the rest of the scripture? I think not.

    Repenting is part of what faith is about. True faith involve genuine repentence.

    James 2:19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that–and shudder.

    Luke 13: 3 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish

    And you didn’t provide any biblical argument against any of the point in this post, which point out examples of Christian losing salvation in the Bible.

  32. Danielle

    i became curious as to what you were talking about to maybe gain a better argument. crazy. just because a person claims such things and has the artistic ability to paint what they they are claiming does not make it true. just because it is on the internet does not make it true (your site is another example). do you believe the morman or jehovah witness beliefs? no? well each of those men “claimed” jesus came to them as well. i am of the evangelical faith, where we are bible based believers. meaning we take the bible as face value, and do not try to take verses and twist their meaning as you are doing. nothing can dispute John 3:16, no matter how many verses you try to pull up and make them fit to create an argument filled with holes. you are proving more and more that you are nothing more than a loon. i believe you truly believe the words you are saying and commend you for wanting to ‘save’ others and create a mass outreach, however in this case it is the blind leading the blind. are you catholic?

  33. saikit

    nothing can dispute John 3:16, no matter how many verses you try to pull up and make them fit to create an argument filled with holes.

    Isn’t it obvious that you are the one who take a single verse out of context and interpret it anyway you want? You choose to ignore the rest of the Bible and pick one verse that tells you how to believe in Jesus Christ? It really doesn’t tell you “Once Saved Always Saved”

    just because a person claims such things and has the artistic ability to paint what they they are claiming does not make it true

    Just because you are evangelical doesn’t make your claims true either. “Claim” is a good word here because it is what you have been doing. Where is the proof? Where is the logic? Where is the biblical support?

    At least I show you a video. If one piece of evidence isn’t necessarily true, at least it increases the likelihood of my belief. What about you? You keep making claims, ridicule, and more ridicule, but where is the support of your belief? Where is the hole in my argument?

    Do you think John Wesley is a Catholic?

  34. Danielle

    i have given you several verses and examples. if you fail to see them i am sorry. and i could post a video on youtube as well with paintings about a monkey morphing into a man and say it is true. i can paint a picture of a dream i had with me growing natural blue hair. i can say that jesus came to me in my sleep and told me that everyone in america must give me one dollar to build a boat because another flood is coming. doesn’t make it true. anyone can do that. i am noticing that you are straying from many of my points and questions and only coming back stating i have not given any proof or examples. i have given you the MAIN verse that christians hold true to their heart as far as salavation goes (and is the MAIN verse to use when outreaching to non christians and one of the MAIN verses that children are first taught. you gave me a few verses taken that have been taken out of context and a bogus youtube video. Evangelicalism is a denomination, there for yes, i do believe what i claim to be true, because the Word says it is so. to believe that trusting jesus died on the cross to save us from our sins and we are to believe in him is not enough to get us heaven goes against what he did for us. you are sadly mistaken. from what you are saying, jesus dying for us was not enough. he died in vain then? you clearly are stuck in your way and am not willing have a true discussion by avoiding certain parts of my points, (which tells me you don’t know and have no idea what to say or how to prove me wrong which you have yet to do). so i will just leave with this ending sentence which i have already stated before. if you are a new christian looking for answers, please look else where. follow that nagging feeling in your soul as you are reading more and more of this person’s outlandish claims that something doesn’t add up, and that some of the things this person is claiming is just weird and way off base. please consult with your pastor, or find a church, they will love you show you the WORD in its entirety and show you why this person is wrong. this person has already admitted in another post that many clergy and pastors and men of GOD have said that he was wrong in his believing. beware of false witnesses and false prophecies. fear the god for his powers and abilities, love and cherish our father for his compassion and his love for his children.

  35. saikit

    i can say that jesus came to me in my sleep and told me that everyone in america must give me one dollar to build a boat because another flood is coming.

    The Bible says God promised there won’t be another flood. The rainbow was the symbol of the pact between God and Noah. So you can’t say whatever you wanted to say and just expect biblical believers to believe in you.

    from what you are saying, jesus dying for us was not enough. he died in vain then?

    If God send a unbeliever to hell after he died, does that mean Jesus died in vain? You will have to accept Jesus Christ as Savor and Lord, and persist in faith till the end. Read the entire book of 1 John, 2 John, and 3 John please. That would be a good start.

    so i will just leave with this ending sentence which i have already stated before

    I also hope that it would be the ending sentence. You may argue with me in the forum, but we already see a lot of repeated wordings from you that go nowhere. But I leave what you have written so far here for other people to learn what it means to preach the true Gospel. You have to suffer ridicule and attack when you preach the whole Gospel. It’s a good lesson for us all to learn.

    that some of the things this person is claiming is just weird and way off base

    Please point out exactly what that is. My belief is the same as John Wesley and many of the mainstream Christians who also don’t believe in Once Saved Always Saved. Right now, you are attacking me simply because I don’t believe in this men-made doctrine.

    this person has already admitted in another post that many clergy and pastors and men of GOD have said that he was wrong in his believing.

    Where would that be? Do you mean “Deceptions of the Evangelical Churches”?

    love and cherish our father for his compassion and his love for his children

    Do you think because God is compassionate and loving, so He won’t send Christian to hell? That would be an assumption. So what about non-Christians in Hell. Is God unloving because He allows non-Christians in hell?

    i have given you the MAIN verse that christians hold true to their heart as far as salavation goes (and is the MAIN verse to use when outreaching to non christians and one of the MAIN verses that children are first taught. you gave me a few verses taken that have been taken out of context and a bogus youtube video.

    You only gave one verse, and that has nothing to say about Once Saved Always Saved. You claimed that my Bible quotes were taken out of context, but so far I am still waiting for explanation that specifically tell us how so.

  36. Danielle

    there again, just like with your bible verses, you pick an choose which parts you want to instead of taking things in its true context. how forgetful you are i have quoted a few verses. and the crazy claims you made 1. (more or less)if you believe in jesus then nothing bad will happen because the holy spirit will keep you from entering a building if there is a bomb in it. 2. you KNOW a person really was in hell because you can tell by the paintings. i can go back up and find more if you like. you need to humble yourself. arrogance is not becoming on anyone. it is people like you that give christians a bad name and cause a mockery of our faith. you have proven nothing so therefore your comment about leaving these posts up here to show how to preach is mute. however i am glad you will leave it open, because it shows people to not just take something that a nameless person says about the bible at face value and to do soul searching and talk with true members of clergy. most cult leaders try to shelter their sheep.

  37. saikit

    1. (more or less)if you believe in jesus then nothing bad will happen because the holy spirit will keep you from entering a building if there is a bomb in it

    I already have answered this point of yours. Also, you really didn’t come up with any biblical support with this point. You were merely ridiculing. Ridicule doesn’t establish any point whatsoever.

    you KNOW a person really was in hell because you can tell by the paintings.

    I didn’t base my belief on her paintings. I simply tag it along with my other points. You were oversimplifying what i am saying. Just because I put a link to the video about her painting doesn’t prove anything for you. It doesn’t make my points anymore invalid, nor does it add to your argument.

    you need to humble yourself. arrogance is not becoming on anyone

    So I am arrogant because I disagreed with you? How do you determine who is humble and who is arrogant?

    i can go back up and find more if you like.

    Do I need to repeat myself? I have been asking for specific points and biblical support this entire time. I have already answered what you have brought up so far. For every claim you made, you have to come up with evidence and logical arguments. Don’t just come up with ridicule and claims. Your points on “bomb” and “painting” were already answered by me the first time you brought them up. So why are you still going back to them, ignoring my responses?

  38. Danielle

    Also, see this youtube of a girl who had seen hell and painted it. The paintings showed Christians in Hell. If you just look at the paintings, I am sure you can sense that the paintings are for real.

    this was your statement from May 24th

  39. saikit

    Yup I made that comment, so your point is? Does ridiculing this comment made my points invalid? Does that give you more credibility? Are you saying that girl is a liar? How do you know? Do you think I base my entire believe on her painting?

  40. Danielle

    you are contradicting yourself yet again. you keep asking for proof, it has been given, here are some more ‘proofs that you are twisting bible verses to fit what you want:

    1 Corinthians 9:27 (English Standard Version)

    27But I discipline my body and(A) keep it under control,[a] lest after preaching to others(B) I myself should be(C) disqualified.
    this person is saying this means you are disqualified from heaven

    **i have added the full verse instead of you just listing a bunch of references.**

    that portion of scripture talks about self disipline if you read the verses before it, it talks about giving your all and doing you best how does that “disqualify” anyone

    Gal. 5:4You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace

    **again listed the entire verse**

    Gal. 5 is talking about a yearning to do god’s will and once you are saved (and will be for life)you are to be filled a want to turn from sin.

    no one person can be completely free from sin it is impossible, God would not set a person up for failure which is what you are representing him to do. you are clearly in need of spiritual guidance. i believe it is you that has lacked true proof, misconstrued verses, failed to answer to any of my points, and have even picked apart my words and left parts out to fit what you are trying to disprove. and by the way, i am amazed at your memory of your conversation with this supposed pastor you have in another posting. simply marvelous, you must have had a tape recorder, i believe not half of what you claim the pastor has said. and if that was truly said, that paster was nothing more than a leader of a cult and not a true representation of an evangelical man of God. i have answered many of your questions. where are mine? if you truly believe what you say to be true, convince me. answer my questions. if you are unsure of what ones, reread the posts and figure out which have been ignored. make a believer out of me. i doubt you will be successful, but with all your persecution and ministry talk, you should be striving to answer my questions to the fullest extent instead of trying to twist things around. give me satisfactory answers. convert me. i dare you.

  41. saikit

    you are contradicting yourself yet again. you keep asking for proof, it has been given,

    You have given one or two arguments, which I quickly responded to, but you failed to follow up on my responses, and continue to use the same ridicule over and over, without ever addressing my responses.

    You also lacked proof for other claims that you have made against me. You can’t make a dozen claims (not that you did make a dozen, though quite a few, but just saying), and only provide a couple of proof. You have to provide adequate reasoning and argument for each claim you made.

    Yet again? when did I do it last time? and how did I contradict myself this time?

    1 Corinthians 9:27 (English Standard Version)
    27But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.
    this person is saying this means you are disqualified from heaven
    **i have added the full verse instead of you just listing a bunch of references.**
    that portion of scripture talks about self disipline if you read the verses before it, it talks about giving your all and doing you best how does that “disqualify” anyone

    The whole meaning is that Paul was doing his best to discipline himself, lest he gets disqualified, regardless of how many people he had preached to and saved through the Gospel.

    Let says, “I better do my homework, lest I get spanked by mom”. It means mom would spank if the child doesn’t do his homework. Even a child understands such wordings. How did you come to interpret away the “disqualified” part? It’s as absurb as saying that the child won’t get spanked whether he does his homework or not, and saying that the sentence is about homework, not about spanking. The truth is the sentence includes both.

    Gal. 5:4You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace
    **again listed the entire verse**
    Gal. 5 is talking about a yearning to do god’s will and once you are saved (and will be for life)you are to be filled a want to turn from sin.

    The verse was saying that the Galatians believers turned to good works and the law for their salvation, and therefore lost it. The point I was trying to make by referencing to it was that a Christian can lose his or her salvation. You totally misinterpreted the meaning of the verse.

    i have answered many of your questions. where are mine? if you truly believe what you say to be true, convince me. answer my questions. if you are unsure of what ones, reread the posts and figure out which have been ignored.

    I already answered all your points, please list the ones you think I failed to answer in point form so we know what you are talking about. I am sure the readers can tell whether I have answered all your points. You may not see it this way, and I am not surprised, because people have the power to live in their own reality. The objective reality is that I really did answer all your points.

    Please reread my previous replies. In my responses I quoted your words and colored them in blue, and wrote my answers below the blue words.

  42. Saikit,

    It is troubling when people interpret Scripture through the lens of man-made doctrines. A follower of Jesus Christ has a continual present tense relationship with Jesus, which not based on a past action, but a continual one.

    Here are some more Scripture verses that confirm solid truth:

    I am the true vine, and My Father is the vine dresser. “Every branch *IN ME* that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit.
    John 15:1

    If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and *THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE*.
    1 Corinthians 3:17

    But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times *SOME WILL FALL AWAY FROM THE FAITH*, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons
    1 Timothy 4:1

    For in the case of those who have *ONCE BEEN ENLIGHTENED* and *HAVE TASTED OF THE HEAVENLY GIFT* and *HAVE BEEN MADE PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT*,and *HAVE TASTED THE GOOD WORD OF GOD* and the powers of the age to come,and *THEN HAVE FALLEN AWAY*,it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.

    Hebrews 6:4-8

    Therefore I run in such a way, as not without aim; I box in such a way, as not beating the air; but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself *WILL NOT BE DISQUALIFIED*.

    1 Corinthians 9:26-27

    Simply reading the Bible for what it says reveals the truth in its very words. It is not what I say, nor my opinions, but what God says in His Word that are the very facts and the proof that once saved, always saved is a false deception.

    The comments (manifestations) of false doctrine have have been exposed and refuted by the very words of Scripture, which have cut through the double mindedness, confusion, and distortions of man-made doctrine.

    Keep contending for the truth Saikit.

  43. saikit

    Thanks PlanksandNails

    We must continue to preach and contend for the truth! I pray that Patrick and Danielle will both find the truth and make it to heaven, and of course ourselves will persereve till the end.

  44. Robert

    Saikit, for “years” I loved Jesus, I witnessed to many people, I baptised people, I held offices in the (evangelical) church, and knew that Jesus had changed my life. I knew the power and presence of God and knew that He heard and ANSWERED my prayers. I allowed the enemy and the world to infiltrate my life and wound up growing cold in my faith. I drifted from the Lord and sinned in many ways. I lost my joy, my faith and my relationship with Jesus.

    I said all that to say this…There is NO ONE on this Earth that can convince me that I was Never Saved! No One! I know I was saved and on my way to heaven. Also, I heard over and over from leaders in the church, “you are just struggling” and “don’t question your salvation, I was there when you accepted the Lord and YOU ARE SAVED!” I was even told that I might be out of “relationship” with Jesus, but He would always hold me firm in His hand! This went on for over four years.

    But, one day a young guy asked me a question that was like a slap in my face…”if you died, right now, would you go to heaven?” The only verse in the Bible I could think of was 1 Cor. 6:9. I knew that the Bible was VERY CLEAR about people who committed these sins WOULD NOT go to heaven, and I was committing those sins! My first thought was…devil, you are a liar, I am saved! Jesus will NEVER leave me! I am his child! Then, I had to admit that “I” had left Jesus! I had taken my hand off the plow and was not fit for the kingdom! I had lost not only my “relationship” with Jesus…I had lost my salvation…I was trampling on the blood and grace of my savour!

    Now I know that some of you will say…”you never were saved to begin with”…YOU ARE WRONG! The Pastor said I was, My heart said I was, Jesus said I was, and the Leaders in my church said I was! I WAS SAVED! Now here is my problem with Once Saved, Always Saved, if I had died during my sinful years, my Pastor, my Friends, my Church Leaders would have all preached me right into heaven. That would have probably given “peace” to my family, but to all my buddies sitting in the funeral service it would have been a “go ahead” to live your life of sin, “Robert live a sinful life and he’s in heaven”. “He accepted Jesus as savour and lord and he is with Him right now in heaven”. That would have been a LIE from the pit of hell! Most people who believe in Once Saved, Always Saved will tell you that you cannot live in sin and go to heaven…but that’s exactly what imply when they come across with the nonsence of drunks and dope addicts and liars going to heaven. Read 1 Cor. 6:9-11. Their ONLY answer is…”they never were saved at all”. Well, I can tell you from my heart…you are MIS-INFORMED! In fact the word of God tell us VERY PLAINLY that in the Last Days MANY will “depart” from the FAITH! They will turn away from the truth!

    And as for “we all have to sin every day”…SINNERS DON’T GO TO HEAVEN ! If you are “IN CHRIST” you have been SET FREE from sin! It does not reign in your life any longer! The bondage of sin is BROKEN! Thank God, that’s where I live TODAY! I am AGAIN in the FAMILY of God! I was Lost, but NOW I’m found…I was Blind, but NOW I see. Perseverence of the Saints is a CONSTANT THEME of the Bible, Church Fathers and Jesus. “In Christ” is the KEY! NOT WORKS! GRACE…through FAITH IN JESUS!

  45. saikit

    Dear Robert, FINALLY, someone from the evangelical leadership who is willing to admit the truth, and bare his heart with all. I know this is what many Christian leaders who are now living a sinful life and believe the same thing you once believed SHOULD be thinking NOW.

    You were clearly convicted by God, and I like the question that the young guy asked you, because this question is documented to have saved many life around the world. Just one simple question, and it is so powerful. see http://spiritlessons.com/Documents/Frank_Jenner/Frank_Jenner_of_George_Street.htm

    I, too, am encouraged and warned by what you said here. Even though I have been writing articles to warn people, I myself need this reminder and powerful testimony from you. Your testimony is very encouraging. The path to heaven has been so long and exhausting for me, especially lately, I feel the heavy heavy weight, and it is tempting to go back to the world and just be done with God.

  46. Tonya

    This is why the body is so divided today. Our purpose here is to worship God and to spread the Gospel so others may worship him. Salvation, tongues, proper ways to baptize, etc. has caused Christians to lose track of what our goal really is. It’s VERY easy for us to debate one another. What we SHOULD do is reach the ones that do not know Christ at all.
    Scripture should support scripture. We should not be using scripture to ‘prove’ who’s right and wrong.
    People, read your bibles, watch out for ANYONE that twists scripture and go spread Gods word to the unbelievers.

  47. saikit

    And view such as yours is why many people go to hell. Unity in error leads to hell. According to your logic, as long as we call Jesus as Lord than we are ALL REAL Christians? So as long as the wolves hide behind the banner of Christianity than we can’t debate them?

    Matthew 7:21

    Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

  48. Tonya

    Wow, its amazing how you can take my comment and manage to interpret it to say something I did not say at all. What I said is not my ‘view’, (Luke 4:7-9). We are here to worship God and bring Him glory.
    Funny how you took my saying “What we SHOULD do is reach the ones that do not know Christ at all.” made it all “kum ba yah” and get “According to your logic, as long as we call Jesus as Lord than we are ALL REAL Christians?”
    Very easy to twist words around…..

    In addition, I never disagreed with the blogger. I didnt feel the need to reiterate what was said prior to making my comment. More people should do like the Bereans did in Acts 17, open the scriptures for your SELF and see if its so.

    “So as long as the wolves hide behind the banner of Christianity than we can’t debate them?”
    Never said that either, but will I waste my words on deaf ears going back and forth ‘debating’? NO

  49. saikit

    “In addition, I never disagreed with the blogger. ”

    You clearly are, but you chose to be passive aggressive about it. Let me give you a hint, if people see through your intention and bring your aggression into the open, then admit it. You are the only one who is not realizing that most people who read your previous comment see through it, so don’t bother to confuse us with “wow, you put words into my mouth”

    “Funny how you took my saying “What we SHOULD do is reach the ones that do not know Christ at all.” made it all…”

    No one twisted any word of yours. You want us to stop debating “one another” and reach those who “do not know Christ at all”. You are actually saying, as long as someone has at least heard of Christ or proclaim themselves as ones who know Christ or call him Lord, then we are causing division and losing track if we debate with them. In other words, aren’t you saying that as long as anyone call Jesus as Lord then he or she is a REAL Christian and we are not supposed to debate with that person?

    “We should not be using scripture to ‘prove’ who’s right and wrong.”

    Your hypocracy is clear as day. You are protecting wolves who hide themselves under sheep skins. Let’s not debate with one another… blah blah blah. Who are you to say who is our own?

  50. Jennifer

    I really enjoyed this article. I feel that people have a misconception about salvation and how it works. Salvation is a free gift and it is forever but only if you live a godly life. No one says that you will be perfect, but you have to understand that there is a difference between falling short of God’s glory and willfully sinning. Willful sin will send any Christian or sinner to Hell. When you know something is wrong and you do it anyway with no remorse, that is willful sin. If a Christian can’t lose their salvation then why did Paul say that we have to crucify the flesh daily?

  51. saikit

    Hi Jennifer. I am glad to hear that. You pretty much summed it up. One thing to add though, hidden, unknown sins can be just as deadly, since we can subconsciously decide to skip the conscience, and make ourselves “forget” about those sins. The truth is, we are still hidding those sins and God might not let that go. We can learn from King David, who prayed for forgiveness of his hidden sins. The Holy Spirit can sometime bring to our minds our hidden sins and help us repent of those sins. See my article “Can Unknown Sin Keep You from Heaven?”

  52. robert

    People, read your bibles, watch out for ANYONE that twists scripture and go spread Gods word to the unbelievers. Tonya: you are so right here.

    We all..even us who already stay in the bible need to read it more. You will never get wisdom and understanding with your bible on the table looking good. Yes our whole mission here with each other is to find out just which of us our going to be true to the word of god. So even with all the pit falls of todays world. A true lover of god will find away to love all, cause that is what god wants from us.

  53. Stan Livingston

    I have read several of your articles. I agree with most of what you write but I think you are in error on the loss of salvation. Those who are truly saved can never lose their salvation (John 10:28,29). I do agree that most if not all saved (i.e., true Christians) continue to sin after being saved but a saved person will be aware of his/her sins and not only seek forgiveness but work to right the wrong as well as work to change their ways (2Cor 5:17). The Calvinist acronym TULIP is well-proved and speaks to (true)salvation being preserved (the “P” stands for perseverance of the saints). To believe that God, whose perfect will was applied to electing one to salvation, could lose an elect would be to believe that God is not sovereign.

  54. Lourens

    I find this topic very fascinating. The Bible clearly says that when you are (truly)born again then you are made the righteousness of God through Christ. Now, I would like you to tell me what can we do on this earth to influence or change the righteousness of God? Is there really any “sin” that I can commit that can make God’s very own righteousness unrighteous? Note sin in inverted commas.

    Maybe we must look at what sin is first. Sin is breaking the Law. Jesus came to fulfill the Law and 2 Cor 5:21 also says that God made Jesus sin(to BE all of sin, not a sinner) Jesus became all of the wrongs we as humans do concentrated into one. When Jesus died, sin died. When we accept Jesus as Savior and we are born again from above according what Jesus says in Matt 3 then we are not sinners anymore but a new creation. 2 Cor 5:17. Among other places in the New Testament we find in 1 John 3:9 the Word says “Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.”

    If it is imposable for us as real born-again Christians to sin then what do we call it when we do things we should not? Paul calls it “works of the flesh” and it is clear that doing the works of the flesh has dire consequences to the Christian’s walk with God. Gal 5:19 says we will not inherit(or take part of)the Kingdom of God. That Kingdom is the one we life in here on earth. Do not expect the promises, provision etc. of God to be part of your life if you continue to do the works of the flesh.

    A question we should ask though if we still have a “desire” to sin is, if we are really born again and been made a new creation? Paul talks lots of doing things he did not want to do but still did it in Rom 7. The important factor is however he “did not want to do it” The new born-again-creature do not WANT to sin anymore.

    Can you remember how God hanged you when you were born again. So many things in life that always seemed to be ok to do all of a sudden did not feel to right anymore. It is a process that will continue for the rest of our Christian lives here on earth. More and more you want to do less wrong and do more things to please God. That is the new creature operating in you.

    But if you still want to sin you should truly accept the Son of God as your Savior so that the Holy Spirit can confirm your salvation to you in your heart. You will change. You will become a new creature. Then Rom 8:38 will also apply to you. Nothing can separate you from the Love of God.

  55. Joy Isaiah Michael

    Dear People I totally disagree with the subject that a BORN-AGAIN Holy Ghost REGENERATED CHRISTIAN can loose his /her salvation. I fully believe in Eternal Security because I have been through the process where anybody would have have thought that I had lost my salvation. I was saved at the age of 12 and thought that life would be happy ever afterwards. From the age of 17 I went into a backslidden state. It went on for 26 years. I was literally hammered by God my Father or chastised is the Bible word for it Hebrews 11:3-15. I did not even have the faintest inkling of what was happening. My own family thought I was having a severe run of bad luck and unlucky stars. They tried everything from astrologers to visiting holy places etc. I got married and had a son. He also was falling sick on and often, so much so we had to keep doctors fees ready or him any time of day. We went through a financial strain without a penny in the bank. Then I got a job and read my Holy Bible in secret in Saudi Arabia. At the same time God prepared my wife a staunch Roman Catholic to receive his Son as her saviour. From there my son started getting well and he is in good health now. When turned back to God after 26 years like the prodigal son He accepted me back. Rejoice and rejoice always. Romans 8:37-39 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come.Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Yes dear born again brothers we tend to forget the LOVE OF GOD AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST WHO DIED TO SAVE OUR SOULS AND WAS RESURRECTED TO SAVE OUR SINFUL BODIES. GALATIANS 2:20 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. HIS FAITH STRENGTHENS US AND HIS LOVE FEEDS AND HIS FAITH KEEPS US SAVED NOT YOURS.
    JOY

  56. Joy Isaiah Michael

    Correction Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: neverthless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

  57. Joy Isaiah Michael

    Dear Friends, The question here is Can a Christian lose his salvation? ETERNAL SECURITY – Does a Born Again regenerated Christian Have eternal security? YES its God;s gift. My personal testimony is proof of that. I was saved at the age of 12 and I thought that life was happy ever afterwards. I went into a back slidden state from the age of 17. It went on for 26 years. I was literally hammered by God my Father for 26 years, chastised is the word for it Hebrews 12:3-15. Nobody could understand what was happening to me not even my own family. They thought I was having a run of severe bad luck and black unlucky stars. We went to various religious places and done various unwanted things. If we go by the comments anybody would think that I had lost my salvation. I got married and had a son. My wife came from a staunch Catholic family. We used to worship idols all the time and go for various religious festivals. What would any one say? Loss of salvation or not–? I glorify Jesus Christ that I never lost my salvation. Backslidden yes. My son used fall sick every now and then so much so we had to keep separate money for the doctor for emergencies due to my son’s sickness. We went through desperate financial straights. There was not a penny in the bank. I went through 3 bad accidents on my bike and twice people thought I was dead. Then I got a job in Saudi Arabia. I thought I should take a Bible and read it. I read it in secret in Saudi for 2 years. Praise God for small mercies and EVERLASTING LOVE, he slowly made me understand my mistakes and accepted back his long lost prodigal son. At the same time he prepared my staunch Catholic wife to accept his only begotten Son as her Saviour. When She accepted we lost our property and worldly goods. We were ostracized by our families. We threw out all our idols at my wife’s instructions. You want trouble– try that in a strong Catholic family. My son’s sickness went away and he is healthy now. He has accepted Christ as his personal saviour. Sometimes he backslides but we leave it in God’s hand. Life is not easy but we have God on our side. I AM FULLY ASSURED OF THE LOVE OF CHRIST AND THAT NOTHING CAN SEPARATE ME FROM TH LOVE OF GOD. ROMANS 8:37-39 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. HAVE YOU SUCH AN ASSURANCE — BLESSED ASSURANCE JESUS IS MINE, O WHAT A FORETASTE OF GLORY DIVINE. GALATIANS 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: neverthless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. WE LIVE BY THE FAITH OF THE SON OF GOD — HIS LOVE FEEDS US — HIS FAITH STRENGTHENS OUR WEAK FAITH — HE DIED TO SAVE OUR SOULS – HE WAS RESURRECTED BY THE GLORY OF THE FATHER TO GLORIFY OUR RESURRECTED BODIES. NOTHING WE CAN DO OF OURSELVES OR BY OUR WORKS. IT IS THE HOLY GHOST WHO WORKS IN US. SIMPLY REST IN CHRIST JESUS. REMEMBER THREE THINGS A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN CAN DO WRONG 1) MISINTERPRET SCRIPTURE 2) DISLOCATE SCRIPTURE 3) MISAPPLICATE SCRIPTURE — DO NOT BE INVOLVED IN SUCH WORKS — FOR WE MUS ALL APPEAR BEFORE THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST TO BE JUDGED FOR OUR WORKS. IT WOULD BE SHAMEFUL NOT TO RECEIVE A REWARD IN FRONT OF MILLION OF BELIEVERS OR OUR ROBE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS.
    JOY ISAIAH MICHAEL

  58. Ben

    So…according to this,we will go to hell…..then the eternal life we received by being saved,is being taken back by God..and then eternal life is not really eternal life as it now begins uneternal life……how long is etternal life…..think about it….it is eternal…that is what it is……we cannot loose our salvation…Salvation is a work done by God…not men….Once saved,nothing will plucjed us out of the hand of God…We are born of God….we cannot sin.BUT our fleshly bodies do sin…..BUT we have the grace of God living IN us..giving us the power and aithority that we never had before to give us the victory over sin…which we never had before because His grace was not living in us….If you are really born again,it will be a desire in you…because of the HolySpirit not to sin,as previously we did not care not to sin,as we were sinners,spiritually dead and seperated from God,we we were made alive by His Spirit not by our decision…..and our sins were washed away..God never thinks of it or bring it up…and if we lean over to give in to the lustfull dsire of our bodies,and allow sin ….we are forgiven,BUT we will live by the consiquences of our sin…God has forgiven you for all sins,but He has not removed the consequences of your sinfull actions…..one must be carefull with what you build on the foundation laid in us…That is Jesus Christ…wood,hay etc..it will be burned,but if you will build with gold silver etc…it will be purified …if all your works will burn away…all that will stand and the basis on which you will be saved is the foundation …but you will suffer a graet loss.no trones and crowns……and so I can go on and on…..we cannot work to keep our salvation,because then it not God who saved us…..The Jews had to work and perform acts and deeds to be saved and to keep their faith..BUT we do not work,,as all work has been done by God IN Christ…..we are saved by grace …not by works…It is what has been revealed to Paul by Christ…Remember….By Jesus Christ Himself…etc…etc…etc…etc…etc…

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