1. A couple of things. You believe that the 2 witnesses will be in Jerusalem for the first 3 1/2 years. Please read Rev again and notice that twhen the 2 witnesses are killed they are raised and raptured and then the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our Lord. This is at the end of the 7. These witnesses preach from the city not the temple. They are protected from Anti Christ. Do not mistake the left behind movies as a true understanding. The Anti christ is the Pope and will set up a statue of Mary in or on the temple. The beast is a government and will reign over Earth, not nessessarily from israel but maybe.
    The covenant is not a peace treaty and was signed on 01/01/2007. We are now entering the midst of the covenant. This is why the Sanhedrin is now calling for money fro jews for passover in June. They claim they can build the temle in 3 months. There is still time. Many things are set to take place this June. Watch and pray.
    Revelation 12 has a double meaning in that the woman can be seen as the Israelis in Jerusalem that must flee when the armies from Luke 21 arive. It can also be seen as the church. The child are the obedient christians who get caught away. the woman is the disobedient Christians who must be tested and proved. The last verse reveals that the remainder of the womans seed are Christians as they have the testimony of Jesus which is the spirit of prophecy.
    Please check my web site and see if it makes sense to you.

  2. […] Mid-trib, post-trib, and other timing within the Great Tribulation for the Rapture don’t make sense (if there is only one rapture), because once the Great Tribulation starts, the timing of Jesus’ second coming to end the Tribulation will be measurable, which is 7 years from its start. […]

  3. jerry

    Do you think the Revelation can be interpreted so easily? To do that, one must attain that state of Consciousness.Otherwise, its like teaching Chinese to the blind.

  4. saikit

    So your position is? What is your view on this subject specifically? How do you define the state of consciousness? When will be a person attain that and if you are a student how do you make sure your teachers have attained that state?

  5. Sir, 70 months do not equal 7 years; there really is no place in the bible where it clearly states that a 7 year period of tribulation will occur now. The scriptures are vague and ambiguous; it is the conservative theologians who are extrapolating this to mean a 7 year period of tribulation. Well, I believe the world is in a state of utter chaos and tribulation now, has lasted longer than 7 years, and the line of demarcation was 9/11/01. bbbboB

  6. Praful

    You are correct about the 70 weeks but the below verses are not some events in the future but something that has already happened.
    Revelation 11:2
    2But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months.

    Here God is talking about Jerusalem which will be under Muslim(Gentile domination) for 42 months i.e. 42*30.44 days
    =1278.48 days

    Since a day is like a thousand years (look at numbers) it is 1278 years before east Jerusalem is captured and Muslim rule is ended.
    Now add 1278+688(Date when Dome of Rock which is abomination in Daniel constructed)=1967 (Date when israel captures Jerusalem!)

    God is giving exact date of the capture of jerusalem

  7. Praful

    Revelation 12:5-6

    5She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. 6The woman fled into the desert to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.

    The woman is Israel which was scattered among the nations for 1260 years(using the day=year principle)

    So 688AD + 1260 years = 1948 (The exact date of the birth of Israel !)

  8. Praful

    Revelation 13:5-7

    5The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months. 6He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.

    The beast is islam or the the series of caliphates which exercised authority over Jerusalem for 42 months (42*30.44days=1278 days).
    The blasphemy in the dwelling place of God is the dome of Rock(Monument to Mohammad situated close to the site of the Temple Mount) upon which numerous blasphemies are present.

    So 688 + 1278=1967(Capture of Jerusalem by Israel) Date when the authority of the beast ended.

    He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.

    Islam made war against Egypt and Syria(formerly Christian Nations and conquered them) and was ascendant until 1967 when Jerusalem was lost by Jordan and captured by israel

  9. Buster

    There is no 7 year tribulation coming in the future. No, I’m not an atheist. I am a Christian. I just see it in a different light. If you want to see what I see, read “Islam in the End Times” That makes sense AND it uses Scriptures very clearly. Read it. It’s free to download and it’s not my book so I’m not trying to make a profit here. My only goal is to educate people a little bit. Just read it and you’ll see what I mean.

  10. barney


    How can any serious student of the Bible interpret Dan. 9:27 as a 7 years Tribulation period in respect to Gal. 3:15-17, Rom. 15:8, etc.

    Moreover, with respect to Dan. 9:27 cited above in the original post, this is a very poor Hebrew translation of this Passage at best…i.e. the ‘singular’ abomination (hebrew shqutz) is substituted for the ‘plural’ abomination(S)(hebrew shqutzim) as in the OT Masoretic Text.

    This same exact plural hebrew shqutzim (abominationS) is used once more in Hosea 9:10.

    I guess in order to get it to fit with their 7 years Tribulation theology they manipulated the Passage to suggest an abominable singular idol god, instead of the intended Jewish plural abominable behaviors.

    Come on – play fair!!!


  11. saikit

    “How can any serious student of the Bible interpret Dan. 9:27 as a 7 years Tribulation period in respect to Gal. 3:15-17, Rom. 15:8, etc.”

    Why not?

    Your point regarding abomination being plural is? how does that change the overall perspective regarding the Antichrist who will show up at the end time to set up abomination or abominationS?

    Abomination or AbominationS, does it refute the 7 years Tribulation theology at all?

    Come on, you serious student of the Bible, please explain.

  12. Deu'el Yisra'el

    I find it strange that Barney & Saikit would use two very different Biblical references concerning this 7 years of tribulation theology that Christian’s believe in with that of the promise of the restoration of the divided house of Yisra’el.

    I find the length of the last one week mentioned in book Dani’el could very well be a seven year length. There are mentions of a standard length of seven years (jubilee as referred to in other Hebraic1 books) and there for when written of as a one week separate period to come could be… I am as yet uncertain… about the 42 months of tribulation mentioned in other parts of the Brit Chadasha (or Renewed Covenant as some Masoretic Nazarenes call the New Testament)as being half of a (‘the’) seven year (1 week) connection to a 7 year tribulation period.

  13. Douglas Jimenez

    Read Leviticus 25:8 why a week is 7 years, FYI

    The 70 weeks of Daniel already took place.

    The Rapture is never mention in the bible, why does people believe in it? This idea started at the end of the 19th century, (long story, do some research). What did the previous generations starting from the apostles believe and understand about the 70 weeks on the book of Daniel?

    Simple, 490 years, (read Daniel 9). At the year 483 (after the 7 weeks and then the 62 weeks) Jesus started his ministry, and after 3 and a half years Jesus died and resurrected from the dead. And after 3 and half years of the resurrection of Jesus, the apostles preach the gospel of salvation to the gentiles for the first time; this is when the 70 weeks ends. Now Israel stops being God’s nation, and God is now in any one who accepts Jesus as his savior. Understand that the 70 weeks of Daniel are continuously.

    And the abomination of desolation (read Matthew 24) and the destruction of the temple that Jesus says there shall not be left here one stone upon another happens at the year 70 after Christ, this is done by Titus the roman, he is the prince that verse 26 of chapter 9 of Daniel talks about.

    What is going to happen from here? The restoration of the earth, the earth will be like it used to be when it was created, when? No one knows. Understand though that Jesus is already here with us, his Kingdom is here, we are his kingdom, and by us I’m talking about those who have accepted him as Jesus Christ. Now if you are not save, not wait any longer, you don’t know when your time will come, you don’t know when you will be taken, watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

  14. Stephen Swilling

    Douglas is right about the prophacy in Daniel being fulfilled already. and the way he said.

    As for a secret rapture, the Bible doesn’t teach such a thing. The Bible clearly says that when Christ returns to this earth to gether His people that every eye shall see Him even the ones who pierced Him. And that He is coming with a shot with the voice of the arch-angel and the trump of God shall sound. Teh wicked will be slain by the brightness of His coming. And at the last trump the dead in Christ will rise first and the righteous who are alive and remaining will be caught up with them to meet Jesus in the air. So, Christ’s coming isn’t a secret thing. Jesus said that if some one says that Christ is in the desert not to believe it, and if they say he is in the secret chambers not to believe it because every eye shall see Him come just as the lightning shines from east to west so shall His coming be. Read your Bible.

  15. Chad

    Revelation Ch1 says the lamp stands are the Churches. The 2 witnesses in Rev. Ch11 are 2 olive trees and 2 lamp stands. The witnesses are killed after the first half of tribulation is complete. Their bodies lay in the street then they are called up. We do not need to use the word “rapture”. We have a better description. “they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them”… 1 Thessalonians 4:17 says we meet the Lord in the air.. And that has not happened yet.. And 2 Thessalonians 2:7 says the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way… This might be when the 2 witnesses are removed. Daniel 9:27 says He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven’. At this same time the 2 witnesses pick up on this evil covenant and begin witnessing for 1260 days. We are successful at holding him back.. After 1260 days, God removes the witnesses, the real nature of the lawlessness one is revealed, and he begins his evil deeds.

  16. robyn

    Why do you teach this rubbish we as Christians will not escape the tribulation. it clearly says after all thees things the sun will not give its light the moon will turn as red blood and then the lord will appear in the clouds,The rapture.Show me one bible passage where it says we will not go through tribulation.Matthew 24-29 “Immediately after the distress of those days “‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’Then wil appear the son of god in the clouds

  17. June 18 2013. Ms. LeeJai Cook, Roaring Springs TEXAS USA.
    I quote from the book of Revelation:
    Revelation 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

    I have been told by celestial sources that four great cities will sustain near-lethal attacks by terrorists:
    Jerusalem, London, New York City, and Washington D.C. If Jerusalem sustains a near-lethal attack, far more than 7000 people will perish.
    It is possible that these horrendous attacks will trigger the Years of Tribulation. If so, then it is very doubtful that Jerusalem will never be rebuilt. This means that numerous prophecies pertaining to Jerusalem would be rendered null and void. Examples:
    Jesus would not return to earth in a physical body to rule from Jerusalem for a thousand years.
    Jews of the world will not be gathered together in Israel to rule the world with their Messiah for a period of time from Jerusalem. Jews will never be a “light unto the world.” The Jewish religion will never be proclaimed “the one true religion.”

  18. Larry

    First, I wish to than the writer of this piece for the scholarly work that he produced with explanations of the 3.5 years, 42 months and 1,260 days. Not many folks ever make those connections.

    However, the scroll of Revelation was completely fulfilled in the first century upon the generation of Jesus’ apostles and disciples. THEY were living at the conclusion of the Jewish system of things which ended in 70AD.

    There are clues found within Revelation itself that reveal that it was written BEFORE the destruction of the second temple. The Wild Beast is Rome, the 4th world power seen in Daniel’s prophecy. There were ONLY 4 beasts: (1) Babylon, (2) Persia, (3) Greece and (4) Rome. Note in Revelation that this 4th Wild Beast is made up of all the descriptive components of the previous world powers.

    Also, when asked by his disciples when he would return and Jerusalem with the temple would be destroyed, Jesus said among other things that the SIGN would be when Jerusalem is surrounded by an encamped army. This happened when the foretold rebellion by the Jews brought upon them the wrath of the Roman Wild Beast. Jerusalem aka Babylon the great city of God was completely burned with fire as God’s judgment upon here unfaithfulness and the murder of His prophets and His Son Jesus the Christ.

    It’s an awful tragedy that this prophecy which was fulfilled in it’s entirety nearly 2,000 years ago upon the Jews which were the actual targets of God’s wrath, is so wrongly being erroneously taught to yet another generation which will continue to look to the future for what has passed long ago. God never said that His kingdom would be here on this earth. On the contrary, Jesus said that the kingdom is no part of this earth but is in heaven.

    Life on this planet will always continue as it is for it is God’s will and when our life is done here we are changed in an instant and go to be with Him forever.

    It’s REALLY that simple.

  19. JAH

    All the prophets are wrong (as usual)!
    The 70 weeks involves weeks of years, this much can be agreed upon by most everyone. Notice how NO ONE bothers to use the most accurate calendar (which also happens to be the ONLY Biblically approved calendar) the JEWISH calendar. The date of 457BC on our calendar is translated to the Jewish year 3305. Adding 483 (69 X 7) gives you 3788 which then translates to 27AD. IF the starting point is the first half of the calendar year, then it would translate to 26AD. This is the probable time for the baptism of Jesus and adding 3-1/2 years of ministry we see the crucifixion date of 30AD. As further evidence this also matches the Bible record of Jesus being about 30 years of age at his baptism. In addition, many scholars have made the case for his birth year being around 2-4 BC based on dates of Roman censuses (add 30 and you get 26-27AD).

    Jesus is the “he” of Daniel 9:27. He made the NEW covenant with many, and HE was “cut-off” after 3-1/2 years. Therefore only 3-1/2 years remain of the final “7”. NOW, Revelation makes complete sense!

    PS If the 70 weeks ended in 70 AD, then Satan would have been BOUND ever since. ????? Yes, Amillenialism is seriously flawed, but Premillenialism has also been compromised by this serious (7-year) error. Think about it… Christ comes to Jerusalem after a 3-1/2 year tribulation (very soon after the 6th trumpet which marks the death of the 2 witnesses) and claims to be the Messiah with thousands of followers (144K)with a mark on their foreheads, but Billions of deceived people will say He is the Anti-Christ. The foolish left-behind people will read the vast majority of pre-mill teachings that say there will be 7 years before the Messiah returns. STOP this insanity!

  20. Israel is not a place, it is the Family Tree of David, The Noble race. His Bloodline. Israel=meaning descendants of Jacob, Isaac’s son and the important one in the Israeli tribe is Judah.
    People, do not you know “your” book?
    If Israel does not exist, Jerusalem does not exist either. The King of Earth, last seen as Jesus, is here and he is to build The New Jerusalem as the Book says!
    You should study better!

  21. Ulinigida

    Sai, anytime I see anyone using the Gregorian calendar I KNOW the answer is going to be WRONG! How did our Heavenly Father say to tell time, months, & years. Hint: there was no Gregorian calendar!

  22. Michael

    There is a tribulation period talks about in Mathew 24:29-31 after the great tribulation that was never seen before and will never be seen again, the greatest tribulation of all. I know people do not like using the word rapture so lets call it the catching away of the church, the marriage supper of the Lamb, all the believers both dead and alive will meet the Saviour Jesus Christ in the sky, the dead will rise first then the living will meet them, there is no pre tribulation, there will be persecution of the true church not the harlot church, but the virgin church undefieled, if you think there is going to be no persecution of the church go and tell that to the eleven apostles that died for the name of Jesus, go tell that to Paul that died for the name of Jesus, go tell that to all the brother and sisters in Africa and the middle east that are being persecuted raped and killed for there faith in Jesus, persecution has not come to full force in the united states yet, it is growing fast in europe, but it will soon be here, true believers and followers of The Word of God will be said to be preaching hate speech because the Bible preaches righteousness and not sin, and they will blame Christianity for all the wars that are taking place, they will the wicked ones that is try to ban assembly of Christians ans reading the Bible and the Bible itself, there is only one catching away of the church, one marriage of the Lamb not multiple marriages, if you do not make the first marriage, your in trouble.

  23. A

    This is all wrong! Christ has already return with the truth of the New Covenant that He established over 2,000 years ago! He came with a new name Rev 3:12 and Rev 2:17! We must come to Him and receive His new name in this age of the Holy Spirit! If anyone would like to study the Bible and come to the root of David who has come and revealed all the mysteries of the Bible to us in these last days God bless you all!

  24. Joel

    There is no 7 year tribulation. Tribulation is not wrath. Tribulation is not judgment. You will not find any scripture in the Bible anywhere to support a 7 year tribulation or that it is intended for the Jews, or that tribulation is a judgment against the unGodly. Its not there.

    What you will find however, is that Daniel 9: 24-27 states that AFTER 69 weeks, is when Christ comes the first time. His ministry began at the beginning of the 70th week. He is Messiah the Prince; Christ confirms the covenant with many for one week. It is Christ who cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease in the middle of the 70th week because when he dies the veil in the temple was rent.

    The antichrist is not mentioned at all in Daniel 9. The 70 week prophecy of Daniel is totally complete. In fact, the 6 items stated in 9:24 were all fulfilled by Christ at His first coming.

    What is coming is Jesus with vengeance on them that don’t know Him. When He comes it will be with a consuming fire that will melt the earth and the elements therein. When He comes, there will be judgment the world over and He will bring down the new heaven and earth.

    There is no secret rapture, there is no 7 year tribulation, the antichrist is not mentioned in Daniel 9, Christ is only coming ONE more time and He will step foot on this planet. Do not be deceived!

  25. Charles Anderson

    You say that the 2 witnesses die at the time when the antichrist begins his time of terror, at the beginning of the 2nd half of the 7 year tribulation. Rev 11 also says that when the 2 witnesses die, that the events of the 6th trumpet have just finished, “The second woe has passed”, and the 7th trumpet is sounded.
    So that, at the seventh trumpet is when the antichrist starts his reign.???

  26. Charles

    Joel says that Jesus is the one in Daniel 9:24 who sets up the abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him, Jesus. Applying that, then, to Matthew 24, We see that Jesus is warning his hearers that when they see Him, Jesus, setting up the abomination, they should flee. Because at that time, there will be great tribulation. And if anyone says that they have seen me (Jesus) that it is not really me, Jesus. Don’t believe it. So, will they see Him setting up the abomination, or not? Then He tells them that immediately after that time of tribulation, which is now about 2000 years ago, according to Joel, I, Jesus, will be seen coming in the clouds to gather my elect. And also the sun and moon will go dark and red. This all has already happened.

  27. Charles

    concerning the assumption that the 2 witnesses will be witnessing for first 1260 days of the 7 year tribulation, and then are killed by the antichrist, just as he is starting his 1260 days, of the 2nd half of the 7 years….. That would mean that the antichrist would not begin his reign until after the 7th trumpet in revelation. Because Rev 11 says that when the 2 witnesses die, that is the end of the 6th trumpet events, and the 7th trumpet sounds.
    Is that how you see it???
    And, as for Joel’s contention that Jesus is the one who ends the sacrifices and sets up the abomination that causes desolation goes: When you line that up with Matt 24, You would have Jesus telling His listeners: “When you see me setting up the abomination, flee for your lives, because at that time there will be great tribulation. And then he would also be saying that “If anyone says they have seen me,(Jesus), that it really is not me, and do not believe it. So…. do we see him set up the abomination or do we not see him???

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